November 29, 2017
A year after US President Donald Trump said that he will pull the United States out from the Paris Agreement on climate change, the economic benefits of decarbonisation seems to outweigh the political dimensions of the decision, according to Christiana Figueres, former executive secretary of the United Nations Framework Convention for Climate Change (UNFCCC). She said that the Global Climate Action Summit, to be held in California in September this year, would enable sub-national governments and public and private sector players to chalk out an action plan to implement the Paris agreement. Here are edited excerpts from an interview.
Charlotte Middlehurst (CM): It’s been a year since US President Donald Trump announced plans to withdraw the United State from the Paris Agreement. What affect has this had on momentum to address climate change?
Christiana Figueres (CF): I think the effect has been differentiated. There has been a political effect and there has not been an economic effect. What do I mean by that? The US, or rather by the White House, announcing its withdrawal from the Paris Agreement certainly sends political and diplomatic ripples throughout the world because it negates all the work that was done in particular between the US and China during six years for those two countries to lead the world to the Paris Agreement.
From a real economic perspective, I don’t think that this is going to have a huge effect because decarbonisation now, both from a technical and a financial perspective, is entrenched enough. It’s not moving forward fast enough but we now have a path that is irreversible and unstoppable and so the global economy continues to decarbonise.
China continues to lead the world there. China doesn’t do this to save the planet or for any altruistic motive. China does this for clear and powerful reasons, of which the number one is health problem in cities. The air pollution in China is known throughout the world, not in all of China, but in cities. The fact that there is already civil society unrest and push to clean up the air is very important, and even more important is that the government is paying attention and closing coal down in cities.
The second reason why China is taking a leadership position is because China can really see the long-term development of the economy and those countries that want to be competitive need to decarbonise. China wants to be the world leader in such technology not just for its own installations but also for exporting products and technologies. It has invested in 5 -7 mega factories for batteries because it understands that that is going to be a huge market. China is investing today into the demands of tomorrow, thereby creating 13 million jobs into the new economy and they will be very competitive.
The third reason why China is doing this is that China’s leadership has been very clear that it wants to lead the word into an ecological civilisation, and that has to be done through a greening of the economy and a greening of the financial structure as well. Kudos to China.
The partnership (between the US and China) was very important leading up to the Paris Agreement but now having the Paris Agreement, I don’t think that partnership is that critical anymore to China. China will continue dong this on its own for its own domestic benefit.
Everyone is very focused on China’s emissions at the moment, which look to be going up because of coal burning. Nonetheless, China is still likely to meet its 2030 target.
CM: How do you see the future of the US-China relationship around climate cooperation developing in the near and long terms?
CF: I think that’s going to depend very much when and where the US does want to cooperate. It doesn’t seem to be too concerned about that right now but it will return. I have full trust that reason will prevail and leadership in the US will understand that in a global economy, where we are increasingly intertwined and interdependent, we do have to do things in a multilateral way and in cooperation with each other.
My sense is that China is still very open to collaboration with the US and other countries, but of course, is not responsible for the other stance of other countries other than itself.
CM: You have seen interesting discussion open up at a sub-national level between countries. For example, California’s Governor Jerry Brown has been pushing his state’s economic ties with China, particularly around electric vehicles. You are seeing these partnerships opening up. Do you think this is a significant area of development?
CF: Yes, absolutely. A lot of attention now is moving to cities, provinces and states for several reasons. The first is that what the world needed to do on climate change at the national level was substantially [constrained] within the Paris Agreement. That was a legal framework where only national governments could negotiate with each other and sub-national governments could not do that.
And now that it’s about executing that plan and drilling down into the Paris Agreement, that really does involve other levels of government and public ad private sector corporations as well. And so I think there is no surprise that that is where conversation is focused now, which is why we are focusing on the global climate change action summit in September.
The action summit aims to bring together a number of global entities that are truly engaged in this process. It is also for national governments to derive the necessary level of confidence to come back to the table next year at the United Nations and increase their commitments, according to the Paris agreement. They need to come back to the table every five years and that will be in 2020. They need to have finalised the process of their increased ambitions. And in order to inspire that review, we support the global action summit to be held in California.